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If herbs work then I want to have good studies that show their indications, counterindications, recommended dosage and recommended regimen. And further I want to know how well they work compared with traditional medicine, or together with traditional medicine.
If they do not work then I want the bastards who sell them to stop.
Most importantly I want to know the difference.
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Please read up on the "naturalistic fallacy". Natural does not mean: good. As a comedian (whose name escapes me) commented, wolves are natural, but I don't recommend you go get a wolf the next time you have a headache. Poison mushrooms are natural, so are daisies. Radioactive plutonium is natural, so are tangerines.
Scott Swank –
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Well this was touched upon during the show.
While we are not "free" to grow every herb in these United States - Grin - aren't the proposed regulations on alternative medicine directed at those who manufacture and sell them? In other words, you can still grow and consume your own.
I would agree that both medical and financial regulation in these United States need some strong laxatives.
aunty palin –
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Thank you for these links.
Aunty Palin –
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From the conclusion of that study, "The data reported in this review clearly indicate the increasing interest in silybin and its compounds as well as the continuous improvement in knowledge about the molecular actions of this substance. However, in the clinical setting, there is currently a lack of definitive data about its efficacy in patients with chronic liver disease. The only well-defined finding is the absence of adverse events at high doses. "
They found that it is not harmful, and that it has indefinite effects. While I'm glad that it's not harmful, that is not a significant finding in favor of ingesting milk thistle for chronic liver diseases or damage.
Scott Swank –
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Grand Master Flash was a good DJ. Your body needs vitamins, which are found in foods. Carrots are high in Vitamin A which is good for your eyes. I don't like how people can go to Walgreens and buy herbs and think they are going to work. Like I said people need to get in touch with their bodies. A Master Herbalist is someone that knows a great deal about herbs. Are you any relation to Sarah?
Ligeia Will –
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I couldn't put my finger on what was wrong with this program while I was listening to it but you just hit the nail right on the head. Thank you!!! Your are so right. I wanted to jump through my radio and wring the Doctor's neck because of his arguments, he was very closed minded and uneducated to the connection of the earth and your body.
Ligeia Will –
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Your comment "shifting responsibility onto the patient" is RIGHT. The responsibility should be on the patient to educate themselves on what ails them. It should be their responsibility to seek out what treatment course they want. It should be their right to choose what course to take. Your telling me I have to breathe in second hand smoke everyday all over this city and nothing will be done about that, but holistic medicines will be by prescription only? If you can't see that it is all about Dr.s, insurance and drug companies making money than maybe you need to eat more carrots because your eyesight is not clear!!!
Ligeia Will –
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Herbs are used to support the bodies ability to fix itself. If your body has lost it's ability to fix itself it is because the person has probably waited too long before seeking help or the amount of herbs is too little to help.
Aliopathic medicine is used to treat the symptoms of an "illness". Pharmaceuticals go after "specific body weaknesses". Herbs are used to support those body "processes" that help the body heal itself. If a body can no longer heal itself it won't matter if the person is given an herb or an Aaliopathic medicine. If the cells of the body are weakened so much they no longer have the energy to regenerate or repair themselves. Herbs at least don't have the negative side affects of pharmaceuticals or do damage to other body organs as is often the case with pharmaceuticals.
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I happen to know someone that used acupuncture and it WORKED. The comment about toothpicks makes no sense.
Ligeia Will –
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After reading through all of Scott Swank's replies I suspect that he may be a mole for the pharmaceuticals. How else can he come up with so many links so fast for all his dubious statements. His arguments sound like the guy on quack watch.
In the Orient they use Acupuncture for many operations instead of drugs.
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Thank you, the mole comment gave me a chuckle. I find the links with google, searching for terms such as "double blind". I'm not sure why simply referring to basic studies seems dubious to you, but so be it.
As for acupuncture itself, there are many charts indicating where to put the needles. These charts invariably disagree with one another. Then they base their theory on an undetectable, unmeasurable, metaphysical "energy". Seriously. We're on the verge of detecting the Higgs boson (or maybe discovering that the standard model needs to be revised if we don't), but we can't detect this acupuncture meridian energy? That sounds implausible to me, and so I treat their claims accordingly.
Again, I'm open to being wrong. Find me a well-designed study showing efficacy.
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You are so right but right now Senator Durbin has a horrible bill that will put all supplements developed after 1995 under the same requirements and rules as drugs and poisons so most of the recent supplements that have followed the guidelines set forth by DSHEAH will be removed from the market like what happened in Europe this April. They also require unrealistic testing of herbs at dosages no normal human would take them at.
Vitamin C dosage will be reduced to so low a dose that it will be useless to take unless you get a prescription for it.
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Herbs either: 1. don't have anything in them that does anything (in which case we have fraud), or 2. have chemicals in them that do something. If they in fact work, if in fact they have chemicals in them that interact with the body's systems then we should know how those chemicals work, what they do, when to take them, and when to avoid them.
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It was Hemlock, and they MEANT to kill him, because he thought differently!!!! He was persecuted for his beliefs, yet his beliefs were right. Can't you see the similarities. Or do you just go with the flow...
Ligeia Will –
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This comment makes you sound very uneducated. Should we check the books on all political assassinations to discredit those parties as well? John Wilkes Booth was an actor, so should I stop watching movies?
Alaiana S. –
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The Socrates comment was tongue in cheek. And yes, if you argued that bullets were safe I might reference John Wilkes Booth as a counter-example. :)
Scott Swank –
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The study you are referring to was flawed from the start. They use some, insignificant amounts of the weakest form of Echinacea. They might as well have taken dirt. They should have asked an herbalist! They didn't because it was paid for by a chemical pharmaceutical company. Obviously the researchers didn't have any experience with Echinacea themselves or they would have known this was a waist of energy.
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Those studies came out of U Pitt's medical school, U Wisconsin, and other respected, independent institutions. There are more studies showing the same thing. I have never seen a scientifically designed, double blind test showing any efficacy for echinacea. I am, however, perfectly happy to be wrong on this. Show me such a study.
http://tinyurl.com/7tdpnqp
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